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it's actually worked pretty good effect thus far on things like the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling. republicans will try to draw a line somewhere. i'm not sure why yet. >> they thought they could draw it on national security with chuck hagel, and we've seen in the last 48 hours the president picked up the phone and he cauldron widen. he hasn't called too many senators too often, even in his own party. he cauldron widen because they had a real obstacle, and he knew that his cia nominee, his close friend, someone he is really eager to have confirmed john brennan, was in trouble going to that hearing. now not so much trouble. >> not so much trouble. these hearings are always as much about the -- using the moment as a lever to dislodge things that congress wants as they are about the nominee himself. i don't think there were a lot of questions about john brennan's kwaul ficks for the job. if i might say to live township the transparency that's been happy to profess. can i go back to the state of the union? i want to add a little bit of a note of caution to all this presidential huffing
it's actually worked pretty good effect thus far on things like the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling. republicans will try to draw a line somewhere. i'm not sure why yet. >> they thought they could draw it on national security with chuck hagel, and we've seen in the last 48 hours the president picked up the phone and he cauldron widen. he hasn't called too many senators too often, even in his own party. he cauldron widen because they had a real obstacle, and he knew that his cia nominee, his...
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i mean, the sequester, the debt ceiling, fiscal cliff, all these things are not so much real problems as they are manufactured partisan problems. but underneath them, you have this real problem which is basically the republicans won the debate on taxes, and the democrats have won the debate on the safety net. and as a result, that's sort of the deficit that we have. and the question is how can we solve it? and history suggests economic growth is the best way, but this deficit is also big enough in the long term that it's probably not going to be enough. and we need some combination of spending cuts and tax increases as well. >> yeah, how do we make that happen, sam? >> i was going to say, part of the problem is the tax revenue problem, which is that you don't have enough people making good incomes, paying good taxes, which is used to fund the social safety net that we value very highly. but it's also a health spending problem in that we spend a of d a lot of that's end of life health as well. one of the curious things about the health care debate when we're through, there's a huge bac
i mean, the sequester, the debt ceiling, fiscal cliff, all these things are not so much real problems as they are manufactured partisan problems. but underneath them, you have this real problem which is basically the republicans won the debate on taxes, and the democrats have won the debate on the safety net. and as a result, that's sort of the deficit that we have. and the question is how can we solve it? and history suggests economic growth is the best way, but this deficit is also big enough...
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he voted against the debt ceiling deal. he is a fiscal conservative. at the same time, on an issue like immigration, because the personal becomes political in his case. he is looking at what is best for america in terms of bringing these folks, many of whom didn't come here, you know, on their own steam, came here as young children. these people are americans just the way his family was. i mean, turns out that his grandfather was an undocumented immigrant. and because of special legislation that we have regarding cubans, the 1966 cuban refugee law, you know, he was allowed to become a citizen. so he is the beneficiary of this. he knows that we, of course, are a nation of immigrants. i think it will move him more towards the middle and move him as a person who can reconcile left and right. >> speak offing of immigrants, what is the back story -- i know there was cloudiness early on about his story about his family, about his upbringing. what have you cleared up there? >> well, michael grunwald wrote our story, and he cites this biography of came out on
he voted against the debt ceiling deal. he is a fiscal conservative. at the same time, on an issue like immigration, because the personal becomes political in his case. he is looking at what is best for america in terms of bringing these folks, many of whom didn't come here, you know, on their own steam, came here as young children. these people are americans just the way his family was. i mean, turns out that his grandfather was an undocumented immigrant. and because of special legislation...
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if you lost track of the debt ceiling and budget battles t came out of the debt limit deal. it was the white house's idea to hold washington's feet to the fire. the cuts were never supposed to happen. the committee that replaced them failed and at the start of the ewe near, the deal triggered even further until march 1st. we are faced with the looming cuts a few weeks away that boiled down to $85 billion that will be slashed by this fall if nothing happens. the focus has been on the cuts and the entire $1.2 trillion will be a 50-50 defense between defense and spending. to put us into perspective is the center for social inclusion. the sequester was designed to be something that would never happen. prot expect would scare washington into coming out with something else. there sounds out of washington, particularly from republicans that they might be okay with nothing happening and sequester being triggered. half is defense and half non-domestic discretionary spending. can you explain to people what would be cut if the sequester goes into effect. >> it's a pleasure to be here.
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on the debt ceiling and they blinked again on the budget. and delaying the sequester. you are right. i think obama -- obama don't you get the sense obama feels that now? >> yeah. >> feels the power more? >> absolutely. >> or willing to use power more? >> and willing -- feels he can have, if they have an apocolyptic showdown he will win it. they feel that, too. they don't emerge from the fights stronger. if, god forbid, they go over one of these cliffs it totally cleared whoever has the stronger hand amid the crisis. it becomes about what are we restoring? it's one that favors the democrats. >> ben, great to have you in the studio. thank so much. any time you come down to washington, you are welcome here here. >> thank you for having me on. >> bill: might get you on the phone from new york. we love people in the studios. come back and see us. buzz feed.com. i will tell you what the president is up to today. busy schedule. >> this is "the bill press show" live on your radio and current tv. [ music ] (vo) current tv gets the converstion started next. >> i'm a slutty bob h
on the debt ceiling and they blinked again on the budget. and delaying the sequester. you are right. i think obama -- obama don't you get the sense obama feels that now? >> yeah. >> feels the power more? >> absolutely. >> or willing to use power more? >> and willing -- feels he can have, if they have an apocolyptic showdown he will win it. they feel that, too. they don't emerge from the fights stronger. if, god forbid, they go over one of these cliffs it totally...
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we agree on debt ceiling in terms of fiscal, that won't get breached. we're less certain about the continuing resolutions. we think there will be argument and sequestration a drag. >> we agree with that. >> from a growth perspective, a little more than 2%. housing is key. we see the manufacturing piece as positive, not necessarily on employment side because there's such great productivity in u.s. manufacturing and energy will add over time. there's definitely positives. still, this year, the fiscal issues -- >> i have to break in -- >> more breaking news. >> is this monopoly. >> from john harwood this morning, obama is set to nominate sally jewel extensiecu of rei equipment. >> that is so fitting. >> outdoor company for interior secretary. >> you were going to say something? >> we are a big believer in long term growth, especially energy sector. we just bought dahlman rose an investment bank focused on the natural supply chain and think there's huge growth in the capital for small companies and energy sector in particular and think there's a cyclical bo
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ceiling, but we need to apply it to the broader budget and appropriations process. >> and the thing is, it's just -- democrats haven't produced a budget in the senate. they haven't voted for any of the president's own budget. there's the full screen now. >> you were in congress. budget sets policy, right? you don't have a budget, you don't have policy. >> that's what i don't understand because you get there in january. you get sworn in. and you know what the first four months are? battles over what's going to be in the budget. because you know when that budget falls in april, that's going to define who you are as a party, who you are as a congress, and who i am as an individual member whether i vote for that budget or vote against that budget. the fact that harry reid's senate and that harry reid himself has gotten in the way of a former really good budget chairman not passing a budget is shameful. and now you have the president saying, well, i'm against the sequester cuts. well, okay, great. what are you going to replace them with? i don't know. no specifics. they never give specif
ceiling, but we need to apply it to the broader budget and appropriations process. >> and the thing is, it's just -- democrats haven't produced a budget in the senate. they haven't voted for any of the president's own budget. there's the full screen now. >> you were in congress. budget sets policy, right? you don't have a budget, you don't have policy. >> that's what i don't understand because you get there in january. you get sworn in. and you know what the first four months...
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>>gretchen: you say forget the debt ceiling, forget the fiscal cliff. we have a demographic cliff, meaning that we have more older people now to sustain in our society and not enough young people coming up to keep the balance? >> right. that's what happens when you're below the replacement period for a long period of time. you have many more old people, fewer young people to support them. then you have to make choices. do you cut defense, cut benefits for the older people, do you raise taxes on workers? it winds up in a very bad situation. >>gretchen: let's look at the american family size. in the blue line, you're going to see, this is zero to two kids. that's been on the rise. in the red it's three-plus kids, which has been on the decline. i'm in the blue. i have two kids. you're currently in the red. you have three kids. but people having bigger families obviously for a variety of reasons is just not happening. >> it's harder. it's harder for all sofrts of reason -- sorts of reason. take, for instance, college. we are expanding educational opportunit
>>gretchen: you say forget the debt ceiling, forget the fiscal cliff. we have a demographic cliff, meaning that we have more older people now to sustain in our society and not enough young people coming up to keep the balance? >> right. that's what happens when you're below the replacement period for a long period of time. you have many more old people, fewer young people to support them. then you have to make choices. do you cut defense, cut benefits for the older people, do you...
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it was august 2011 and the word sequester came out of the failed deal on the debt ceiling. then came the fiscal cliff, that was the next chance to prevent all of the cuts. washington punted, they said hey, three more months, we'll solve it then. nope. now three months is coming so guess what? they will punt again. you know what, thinking about it today, it reminded me a lot about this. ♪ put your little hand in mine ♪ put your little hand in mine ♪ put your little hand in mine ♪ there ain't no hill or mountain we can't climb ♪ >> that of course was "groundhog day." at least they had a good song. we have to listen to the terrible voices of people in washington. "outfront," michael waldman president of the brennan center from nyu school of law, and michael medved, conservative commentator for salem radio. great to see both of you. michael waldman, you're both michael so i have to do first and last names. great to see both of you. the president asking for a smaller package because a bigger deal can't get done. how is this moving the ball forward? there's blame to go
it was august 2011 and the word sequester came out of the failed deal on the debt ceiling. then came the fiscal cliff, that was the next chance to prevent all of the cuts. washington punted, they said hey, three more months, we'll solve it then. nope. now three months is coming so guess what? they will punt again. you know what, thinking about it today, it reminded me a lot about this. ♪ put your little hand in mine ♪ put your little hand in mine ♪ put your little hand in mine ♪ there...
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ceiling issue so that they can breathe a little bit and try and move away from just these fiscal sues. now on the horizon there are lots of house republicans, particularly younger ones, who say let's cut the defense budget, let those automatic spending cuts take place, and there are lots of senior republicans who say, not so fast. so that's going to be a problem within the republican party as we look ahead. >> where does karl rove and his new super pac fit into that? >> did you ever think republicans would call him a rhino, republican in name only. here you go. i've always thought of karl rove as a conservative. what's going on is his pac has said, you know what, we are tired of someone associated with his pac said to me, quote, the novelty of losing elections has worn off, and what they've decided to do is to start putting their money in primaries. they want to vet republican primary candidates so that by the time they get to the general election they believe they have qualified vetted candidates who can actually win. conservatives are saying, this is not what you should do. you need
ceiling issue so that they can breathe a little bit and try and move away from just these fiscal sues. now on the horizon there are lots of house republicans, particularly younger ones, who say let's cut the defense budget, let those automatic spending cuts take place, and there are lots of senior republicans who say, not so fast. so that's going to be a problem within the republican party as we look ahead. >> where does karl rove and his new super pac fit into that? >> did you ever...
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republicans acted in that direction by putting off the debt ceiling a couple of months until may as hampton mentioned a minute ago. the president is going to propose the same thing on the budget sequester but not, according to a white house official, laying out his own plan. he's going to call on congress to do that and expected response from republicans, tyler, is, hey, mr. president, where are your cuts, we want to see them. >> john harwood, thank you very much. once again you will see the president's address live right here on "power lunch" in just a few moments. before that occurs, we have a triple digit advance. the market added to advances a few moments ago when we got budget figures. the dow up 109 points. the nasdaq up 34 and the s&p 500 is up 14 points. more on the trading action right here from bob pisani. he joins me on the floor of the nyse. it's almost like yesterday didn't happen. >> the important thing is, i know it doesn't seem terribly exciting but we are 14,000, we're a couple of points from a historic high from the dow jones industrial. we've been up a couple points throu
republicans acted in that direction by putting off the debt ceiling a couple of months until may as hampton mentioned a minute ago. the president is going to propose the same thing on the budget sequester but not, according to a white house official, laying out his own plan. he's going to call on congress to do that and expected response from republicans, tyler, is, hey, mr. president, where are your cuts, we want to see them. >> john harwood, thank you very much. once again you will see...
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the house and senate extended the debt ceiling. president obama has signed the no budget, no pay act of 2013. not only does that put off the nation's debt obligations until may 18th, it also withholds pay for a number of congressmen and womenless women unless they pass a budget by april. >>> eight senators have voted to block the violence against women act. that bill would protect victims of domestic violence and this particular version extends that care to illegal immigrants, native americans and lgbt members. senators who voted against considering that bill include ted cruz, marco rubio and rand paul, all republicans. more bill's up next. stay with us. to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >
the house and senate extended the debt ceiling. president obama has signed the no budget, no pay act of 2013. not only does that put off the nation's debt obligations until may 18th, it also withholds pay for a number of congressmen and womenless women unless they pass a budget by april. >>> eight senators have voted to block the violence against women act. that bill would protect victims of domestic violence and this particular version extends that care to illegal immigrants, native...
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the guy who helped craft the debt ceiling plan. when he puts out that budget that is the document republicans have to run on the next two years because it has severe spending cuts on the domestic side because they have to balance the budget in ten years, a mighty task because they don't want to raise taxes. >> he has no interest in the sheer grind of campaigning. it's hard to see him having what it takes to run for president in 2016. is that even in his mind? is that a possibility for him? >> i don't think he's ever rule it out having been the veep last time and having national statutostature and i do think you have to wapt badly and willing to go for two years that state to state, talking to folks at the grassroots and i don't think he really likes that. likes the idea of spending some time with his family and work the halls of congress. the next two years are about austerity for the republican party. that would be really tough to run for president trying to partially privatize medicare and cut domestic spending across the board.
the guy who helped craft the debt ceiling plan. when he puts out that budget that is the document republicans have to run on the next two years because it has severe spending cuts on the domestic side because they have to balance the budget in ten years, a mighty task because they don't want to raise taxes. >> he has no interest in the sheer grind of campaigning. it's hard to see him having what it takes to run for president in 2016. is that even in his mind? is that a possibility for...
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that is called suspending the debt ceiling, you raise the debt ceiling so you put a lid on what the government can spend. when you reach your credit, they will give you another thousand dollars and that is new limit. what has now happened is capitol hill has suspended that limit, now you are going to american express card with no limit and you have given the president no limit until mid may? >> i don't think american express would like the comparison because it couldn't be as bad. [ laughter ] >> but they are limited by the appropriations process and house and senate under the constitution have the power of the purse. he is not supposed to spend important. having said that, you are right. it's a huge problem. we should not extend the debt limit again. what is coming up, it may be four to six months unless there are legally spending cuts. i proposed that legislation. it got a lot of votes on the floor but it's simple idea. reduction of spending for every dollar increase in debt limit and you get to balanced budget over ten years if you do that. >> greta: breaking news, it's an important topic.
that is called suspending the debt ceiling, you raise the debt ceiling so you put a lid on what the government can spend. when you reach your credit, they will give you another thousand dollars and that is new limit. what has now happened is capitol hill has suspended that limit, now you are going to american express card with no limit and you have given the president no limit until mid may? >> i don't think american express would like the comparison because it couldn't be as bad. [...
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. >> so, now we haven't seen the downgrade and now we're waiting on the next level of debt ceiling debate or the sequestration and you start to see this headline. is this a warning to the other rating agencies -- >> trying to smack them down before -- >> if i were a conspiracy guy, that's -- >> if you were. lay it out. >> don't paint me with that brush. but if i were, this is what i would be saying. >> let's let that sit out there, just sit there. one of wall street's most well-known banking analysts surging you to buy all of the banks. here's what he said earlier today. >> you should be buying goldman sachs, bank of america, u.s. bank corp, you should be buying comerica. what you are going to get is continuous upearnings, inkreeflss in dividends, higher stock buy-back programs and record results. >> was he bullish? karen says to buy one bank stock in particular and she is turning her back on her belove fd jamie dimon. >> i'm not turning my back on him. you know, it's still as strong between us as it ever was, only -- >> should we slap another ceo in that little bubble? >> no, no, you kno
. >> so, now we haven't seen the downgrade and now we're waiting on the next level of debt ceiling debate or the sequestration and you start to see this headline. is this a warning to the other rating agencies -- >> trying to smack them down before -- >> if i were a conspiracy guy, that's -- >> if you were. lay it out. >> don't paint me with that brush. but if i were, this is what i would be saying. >> let's let that sit out there, just sit there. one of wall...
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the senate is obligate as a result of the debt ceiling vote to do wait has not done in the last four years and that is present a budget resolution for four years the senate said we don't care if the law requires us to do it. we'll ignore that. martha: let's hope dave camp's proposal of taking on tax reform is something republicans have been talking about for a long time. chinned with the fact that the senate must act on a budget must get us into tangibles in terms of this discuss in washington. carl, thank you so much. always good to talk to you. gregg: disturbing information about iran's nuclear program. martha: this is one of the most interesting moments of the game. the light went out. i thought this was a blowout game and the next thing you know -- a firsthand account from what it was like at the stadium from a familiar football fan. hey, it's me, progressive insurance. you know, from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. [sigh] it feels good to help p
the senate is obligate as a result of the debt ceiling vote to do wait has not done in the last four years and that is present a budget resolution for four years the senate said we don't care if the law requires us to do it. we'll ignore that. martha: let's hope dave camp's proposal of taking on tax reform is something republicans have been talking about for a long time. chinned with the fact that the senate must act on a budget must get us into tangibles in terms of this discuss in washington....
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it is an interesting piece about this fearmongering and screaming we did debt ceiling hostage crisis and all of that stuff. anyway, so not to discount your fear that we're going to be overtaken. >> well, yeah. that's paranormal. >> stephanie: we'll talk about this and much more as we continue. 19 minutes after the hour. it is "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: funny how. funny like she's a clown. like she's here to amuse you. it's the "the stephanie miller show." he was a comedy genious. addicted to the spotlight and living too close to the edge. of all the hours in all his days, these are the ones you'll never forget. ♪ bad, bad ♪ >> stephanie miller. ♪ baddest girl ♪ ♪ in the whole damn town ♪ ♪ badder than king kong ♪ ♪ meaner than a junkyard dog ♪ >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 24 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. jake with the president carney. >> we created 2.2 million now with the revisions jobs in 2012. that means that we have been moving in the right direction when it
it is an interesting piece about this fearmongering and screaming we did debt ceiling hostage crisis and all of that stuff. anyway, so not to discount your fear that we're going to be overtaken. >> well, yeah. that's paranormal. >> stephanie: we'll talk about this and much more as we continue. 19 minutes after the hour. it is "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: funny how. funny like she's a clown. like she's here to amuse you. it's the "the stephanie...
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. > let me ask you quickly about- we've got sequestration coming up, we've got the debt ceiling, so congress is still a factor here. any worries that, now that we have passed the fiscal cliff for the moment, that those two items might cause some trouble? > > absolutely. i am still worried about that. i think, longer-term, i have mentioned that there are a lot of positive things in this country that are actually occurring. energy revitalization and independence, i think that gets undersold. the fact that our labour force is now competitive. i think longer- term those are good things. my question is how quickly we get there, and there are all kinds of speed bumps before we kind of get to that end-state nirvana. and the big factor that holds the key to that is what happens in congress. > brent schutte. thanks so much. > > thank you. the big easy is working mighty hard to make a big comeback. we'll see what's new in new orleans, next. as the monday morning quarterbacking gets underway, we wanted to give special attention to the real winner of the super bowl: new orleans. joining us via skype thi
. > let me ask you quickly about- we've got sequestration coming up, we've got the debt ceiling, so congress is still a factor here. any worries that, now that we have passed the fiscal cliff for the moment, that those two items might cause some trouble? > > absolutely. i am still worried about that. i think, longer-term, i have mentioned that there are a lot of positive things in this country that are actually occurring. energy revitalization and independence, i think that gets...
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>> i like the metaphor claire mccaskill had when they raised the debt ceiling for three months. they are like death penalty appeals. every minute, every time they have a short term fix, people are brought to the brink again. the american people are brought to the brink again. i thought it was heartening to hear from harry reid he was interested in it's not just defense talks we are talking ant. there's $500 billion in domestic cuts. once people realize republicans want to hold the economy hostage over tax cuts for the rich and even the tiny amount of concession made before was not enough for them. they start to see the impact of the cuts. i think they may have to come to the table. >> really quick in terms of march 1st, are we going to punt and have this conversation in the summer or get something done and have this fixed once and for all? robert? >> it seems like based on history we are going to punt on this again. as i said before, republicans have done a good job of keeping the democrats and the white house in defense. if history is our guide, i'm not surprised if we kick the
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the debt ceiling, which does not one thing to add to the budget deficit. not one nickel of spenning, it's agreeing to pay the bill. we waited seven months and threaten ord credit rating. the american people are sick of that. they want action. they want their taxes low, as we just saw happen reinly in avoiding the fiscal cliff -- which came as i might add through bipartisanship. the republicanses came through with the table to what obama proposed and he compromised with raising it to the $4,000 level. that's the action that people want to see. >> speaking of our president, he said during obamacare, oh, you're premiums wouldn't be raised. sorry, david. that's exactly what we are seeing -- >> when 2014 comes along -- [overlapping dialogue] >> americans are not able to keep their health insurance. another thing the president promised. >> i have to say, after an absence of david being out, with personal issues and health issues, we are glad to see you back. >> it's a pleasure to be back. >> happy to have you both. >> a bus transporting a philadelphia youth grou
the debt ceiling, which does not one thing to add to the budget deficit. not one nickel of spenning, it's agreeing to pay the bill. we waited seven months and threaten ord credit rating. the american people are sick of that. they want action. they want their taxes low, as we just saw happen reinly in avoiding the fiscal cliff -- which came as i might add through bipartisanship. the republicanses came through with the table to what obama proposed and he compromised with raising it to the $4,000...
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but let's assume because the debt ceiling doesn't kick in till august, i believe that's what we'll have, but let's add these together. let's say you're right, 30 billion. but let's -- jobs overseas, we can dial that however we want because it's all -- a huge loss of revenue, corporate jets, tehre are all kind of things that are low-hanging fruit. >> you've heard the republicans across the board here. they're saying they're done with revenues for 2013. >> george, the american people are on our side. the american people don't believe in these austere things. we believe that the rich should contribute. we believe we should fill those tax loopholes, get rid of them, i should say, and that's where we need to go. >> but that's a debate that's been had, as you know, for the last couple of months, last couple of years and doesn't appear it will get solved next month so the sequester will hit. >> george, that's what they said two or three days before the fiscal cliff. no revenue. well, we got about $700 billion in revenue. there's still more we can do. >> are you saying that for -- to lift the s
but let's assume because the debt ceiling doesn't kick in till august, i believe that's what we'll have, but let's add these together. let's say you're right, 30 billion. but let's -- jobs overseas, we can dial that however we want because it's all -- a huge loss of revenue, corporate jets, tehre are all kind of things that are low-hanging fruit. >> you've heard the republicans across the board here. they're saying they're done with revenues for 2013. >> george, the american people...
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in terms of the debt ceiling deal, the fiscal cliff, the bipartisan senators who came together on immigration, which, aga again, that's kind of a rope thing in washington, d.c., but it's been absent for the last couple of years. when george w. bush was elected, no child left wind was a top domestic priority and you had a kind of gang of eight style thing. >> no child left behind just didn't happen. bush reached out to ted kennedy, and you worked the issue and -- >> sure. they worked on the recovery act. they want today recovery. >> they didn't work on the -- >> yes, they did. >> it was one of those ludicrous republican myths that obama didn't reach across the aisle. and ma myth is so foundational to a lot of republican thinking and i'm guessing to you and i it seems so divorced from reality that it's hard to even engage with, right, the idea that obama didn't attempt to genuinely attempt a bipartisan governing style. >> you can call it a myth. i think the proof is in the pudding. i think that this -- >> so you blame obama for the fact that there's this -- >> listen, i'm in politics. i think m
in terms of the debt ceiling deal, the fiscal cliff, the bipartisan senators who came together on immigration, which, aga again, that's kind of a rope thing in washington, d.c., but it's been absent for the last couple of years. when george w. bush was elected, no child left wind was a top domestic priority and you had a kind of gang of eight style thing. >> no child left behind just didn't happen. bush reached out to ted kennedy, and you worked the issue and -- >> sure. they worked...
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so as congress agrees to delay a showdown over the debt ceiling and faces a march 1 deadline for across the board spending cuts, what to make of this darned economy, david? >> am i supposed to answer that? it is confusing. the stock market is up. employers are hiring, very slowly. the government now tells us that hey -- they hired a lot more last year than previously believed. auto seafls are up 14% from last year. housing sales are coming back. on the other hand the economy took a pause at the end of last year? unemployment is very high, 7.9%. among men between 25 and 54 one out of six is not working. so i think when you cut through all this what do you see? well, the stock market is going like this and the economy is going like this. that can't last. i can't explain the stock market except maybe there was a gigantic sigh of relief. the republicans aren't going to force the u.s. freshry due default and the europeans aren't going to blow themselves up economically. you see an economy that's growing -- slowly. growing is better than not growing. the europeans are trying the not growing t
so as congress agrees to delay a showdown over the debt ceiling and faces a march 1 deadline for across the board spending cuts, what to make of this darned economy, david? >> am i supposed to answer that? it is confusing. the stock market is up. employers are hiring, very slowly. the government now tells us that hey -- they hired a lot more last year than previously believed. auto seafls are up 14% from last year. housing sales are coming back. on the other hand the economy took a pause...
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ceiling, whether it comes to chuck hagel or immigration reform. what do you think about all of that? >> well, it's funny. i am an old democrat as they say. so i remember the days when the republicans were all united. we democrats would get in a circle and start shooting inward. there was a sense in which everything has changed in the opposite way. you have got a very united democratic party standing toe-to-toe with the president. and you have got republicans bitterly divided so the way you get majorities right now is the democrats pick off republicans and leave the rest of the republicans out in the cold. if i were republican i would not be very happy right now. >> you mentioned the democrats have been through periods like this in the past. then along came bill clinton, for example. he nudged the party toward the center. the democrats started winning some elections. do you think if you take a look at what's going on with republicans from your side of the aisle that maybe something like that is going to be necessary in order for the republican part
ceiling, whether it comes to chuck hagel or immigration reform. what do you think about all of that? >> well, it's funny. i am an old democrat as they say. so i remember the days when the republicans were all united. we democrats would get in a circle and start shooting inward. there was a sense in which everything has changed in the opposite way. you have got a very united democratic party standing toe-to-toe with the president. and you have got republicans bitterly divided so the way...
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ceiling battles? will all of these numbers go out the window? >> well i think the biggest problem this country has is debt. eventually debt has to be paid back and the problem is we adding three billion a day to the deficit, and i'm just worried that one day we're going to wake up and the market's eyes are going to open up and say wait a minute, look at all these debt and start hitting the wrong way. but look. so far so good. for whatever reason the market likes what it sees, and i never argue with the market. it's kind of stupid to do that. i think you would be run over by a train if you bet against it right now. >> heather: gary kaltbaum joining us. thank you so much. we appreciate your insight as always. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> gregg: so he gave us the barney cam. remember that, and he was by president bush's side throughout his eight years in the white house. what the former president is now saying about his beloved scottish terrier. yeah the barney cam. >> heather: hours before the big game
ceiling battles? will all of these numbers go out the window? >> well i think the biggest problem this country has is debt. eventually debt has to be paid back and the problem is we adding three billion a day to the deficit, and i'm just worried that one day we're going to wake up and the market's eyes are going to open up and say wait a minute, look at all these debt and start hitting the wrong way. but look. so far so good. for whatever reason the market likes what it sees, and i never...
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we did not go over the fiscal cliff and we did not hit the debt ceiling. evidence is piling up. >> that's true. here is the thing that struck me about hagel hearings, it seemed at times that chuck hagel was surprised that these people were not happy with him. it's as if he did not read a newspaper in month. >> his response to the surge question. mccain is the biggest supporter of the surge, he led it. chuck hagel disagreed and mccain seems to be right. and hagel looked surprised by the question. in defense of molly's story and washington is getting better. that was not about dysfunction of washington, the two of them just do not like each other. that has nothing to do do with the broader things washington. the issue matrix is changing a bit. what we with saw in 2009 and 2010, when health care and economy were on the table, those are where the parties are fundamentally divided. that is going to be true. but the immigration, there's not the same divide with them. so it's not a polarizing issue with john kerry. part of the reason we are seeing less dysfunctio
we did not go over the fiscal cliff and we did not hit the debt ceiling. evidence is piling up. >> that's true. here is the thing that struck me about hagel hearings, it seemed at times that chuck hagel was surprised that these people were not happy with him. it's as if he did not read a newspaper in month. >> his response to the surge question. mccain is the biggest supporter of the surge, he led it. chuck hagel disagreed and mccain seems to be right. and hagel looked surprised by...
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there's the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling. now the sequester. i mean, we're now talk about perhaps $85 billion in spending cuts in 2013 if they don't get their act together on the sequester. that's pointing exactly in the opposite direction. so the fed is kind of setting the table but not getting the support from the congress on the fiscal side. >> so given the looming debt ceiling limit here, this week on morning joe the "new york times" economist argued why the u.s. should spend now and worry about deficit reduction later. here it is. >> dashing spending when you still have depressed economy is really destructive. it's probably even counterproductive even in purely fiscal terms. we should be sustaining government spending until we have a stronger economic recovery. >> this is not a hard call. as long as we have 4 million people who have been unemployed for more than a year, this is not a time to be worrying about reducing the budget deficit. give me something that looks more like a normal employment situation and i'll become a deficit hawk but
there's the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling. now the sequester. i mean, we're now talk about perhaps $85 billion in spending cuts in 2013 if they don't get their act together on the sequester. that's pointing exactly in the opposite direction. so the fed is kind of setting the table but not getting the support from the congress on the fiscal side. >> so given the looming debt ceiling limit here, this week on morning joe the "new york times" economist argued why the u.s. should...